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Volleyball is a waste of time.

Posted by devo on May 4, 2009

It’s bad enough that volleyball gets very little recognition in the local press, but when that recognition is … “I saw this athletic ability and thought what a waste in volleyball …” Oh well, at least the article does mention some AFL players who have played volleyball. Read the full article on Victoria’s Cedric Legrand here.

31 Responses to “Volleyball is a waste of time.”

  1. Michael said

    Took just as much time as I thought it It was definitely taken out of context. Not what bubs said…lol He was referring to a waste if his talent if his potential did not evolve into something big..

  2. devo said

    I saw this athletic ability and thought what a waste in volleyball
    So you can’t evolve into something big in Australia unless it’s in football? Sad but true. {cries out loud}

  3. Matt said

    Sad that this comment came from a VVI board member…whatever context!

  4. Bubs said

    Guys, believe me that is not what I said and the comment was taken out of context. I invest alot of time and money into volleyball and the story was a way to promote volleyball. As a VVI member or not I luv and am passionate of volleyball and at least I am trying to get in some public profile than sit back and whinge about what is or isnt sent. Hows we all work togther for once and try and understand that you need a story to get profile of anything in Australia. At least I am trying…

    • devo said

      Hi Bubs,
      I believe you. I have done my own stories for the press. And some journos can’t even copy properly!
      However, a story about someone leaving volleyball, as distinct from someone doing something in volleyball, is not as advantageous for volleyball.
      Here at devo’s we are all about volleyball. We welcome any effort to improve the profile of the sport. Go Bubs!!

    • Robbo said

      So what was is exactly that you said, bubs?

      btw. another volleyballer turn footballer is Daniel Jackson from Richmond. I coached him through his last 2 years of high school and he is just a pure natural sportsmen. Could excel at any sport he tried. He loved playing volleyball but after getting picked up in the draft in year 11 he was always going to go far in footy.

  5. Alan Cahill said

    Hi Bubs

    I spent Sunday Morning with Craig Smith assisting him coach the Girls U16 Secondary Schools State team who has the youngest Cloke family member playing (pardon my ignorance but I cannot remember her name). She is a strong Volleyball talent and with her family ties could make an excellent article with her big brothers.

    Could add to the exposure of our sport which,I agree, is an absolute must.

    Thanks Alan

    • Batesy said

      Yeah that’s right Al,
      I played schools cup volleyball at Yarra Valley with Travis Cloke on the team (he was a “very big unit” … still is), and we also had a team of school guys that played in the local comp for match practice that Cameron Cloke was also involved with.

      Oh course volleyball wasn’t their preferred sport at school (footy and cricket), but they were very involved and this could form a good piece of exposure for our sport.

  6. hugh29 said

    i’m insulted at the sort of obscure sports that find their way onto the new digital sports channel before volleyball – “Professional Paintball”? “Basketball on trampolines”? C’MON!!!!

  7. Bubs said

    Hey Guys, I luv this forum, its a great way to express educated opinions. Well done on the site.

    Im all for any publicity on Volleyball. positive or negative as the great Eddie would say there still talking about Volleyball…..

    Believe me I will request a draft prior to release in future. I actually said “What a waste of talent if his athletic ability is not captilised on”. this was about supporting gifted athletes no matter what sport there in and we need to do that more in Volleyball so we dont lose them to other sports.

    I hope I and the rest of the volleyball fanatics can encourge that. We at Volleyball need to work togther especially all clubs to make kids want to play volleyball and not any other sport.

    Allan, more than happy to pass this on, I think that would be a great story. The Cloke’s are always in the paper’s and we must utilise any avenue to gain exposure for our sport.

    Work with me guys and Volleyball will be back to the top pedestal

    Bubsy sign off

  8. hugh29 said

    Oh,and Bryce Gibbs mentioned in the article also played a fair bit with brighton and was in their U16 honours team that won gld in 2004. His sister Kelly was in their Open honours girls team that took gold last year and in it this year. James Sellar (Crows) was a star setter who made all star 6 selection at nationals in 2005, and I coached Will Minson at his high school when he wasn’t playing footy. I think Hayden Jolly who plays for brighton and lion could possibly get drafted this year too!

    • sam said

      And David Swallow who won mvp for 16’s honours a few years ago for rossmoyne and could have easily played state will probs get drafted next year too. his bro already plays for north melbourne

  9. Whosin said

    it seems like there is a pattern evolving here: that we seem to have all this great talent in kids (both past and present), but then somewhere along the lines, these kids are making the decision to swap sports – another example: Caitlyn Thwaites (Netball)

    My question is: How can we make these potentially great volleyballers, stay in our sport.
    Is this something that each state should address, or should this be done by the AVF?

    My thoughts are i guess ultimately – it comes down to opportunity, money & exposure. I’d be interested to see what other people think.

  10. markleb said

    To keep these players in volleyball, you have to offer them something that is unique and interesting that another sport can’t offer. It’s pretty simple, but of course difficult to achieve.

  11. Grace S said

    It’s sad that we have to offer something to make people stay in our sport. No longer is it for the love of the game but what some get out of it. Yes, as a teenager I chose volleyball over tennis and still am very involved with junior development. It costs me $ to travel to & from trainings/games etc. Still I do this because juniors can benefit from my coaching and maybe one day they will also have the passion to continue to give back to volleyball. There are others like me but too few.
    I agree any publicity is good but we need to get some marketing guru to turn that publicity into dollars that can then fund junior development and/or elite programs so as to expose volleyball onto the football loving public.
    Yes, due to our small, wide spread population and choice of sports, it makes it difficult to promote volleyball. It seems that to get exposure in the media it has to be sensational. Otherwise the groin strain of a footballer makes news….
    Maybe one day we can look up the weekly results in the Sunday paper! Dream on…

  12. markleb said

    When I write ‘offer’ I don’t actually mean money per se. I mean the sum of all things that people get out of volleyball compared to the sum of all things people get out of another sport. That could be social, it could be travel, it could anything. Obviously in some cases the financial aspect is the clearest.
    Unfortunately offering the chance to live overseas isn’t really much of a pull if you’re the kind of guy who has trouble dealing with the cultural differences between Melbourne and Sydney :)

  13. Grace S said

    Or per say Adelaide!
    Mark I understand where you are coming from but it seems in this day that kids choose what they do (or what their parents push them into) can be determined by the pull of the dollar. If a parent has to spend money to have ‘junior’ play volleyball or if ‘ junior’ gets $50 for a game of football, which do you think they will choose. Currently have a player that is in our U19 state development team and we have to share him with football (even though he said that he is committed to our team). But he gets chosen to play in a district game & we don’t see him at training. So again we miss out. Even though we can ‘offer’ other aspects to our game we seem to still loose to $ from other sports.

  14. devo said

    This version of the story from the Star News Group reads better.

  15. Rusty said

    There is a lot of athletes who do well in other sports. I played with/against Kingsley Hunter (Fremantle Dockers and Western Bulldogs) and Jarrad Schofield (West Coast Eagles, Fremantle Dockers and Port Adelaide premiership player, in addition to being in the WA state cricket team).

    There is a lot of talent… how do we retain it??

    • markleb said

      You make them love volleyball so much there is no way they would ever want to leave it.

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  17. Mike said

    Hi Guys

    Just thought I would put my two cents worth.

    I am Cedric’s dad’s cousin in WA. I too did play volleyball for many years in WA even whilst I was at school I even got into the State schoolboys squad. I also excelled at soccer which I represented WA also.

    I still play volleyball but only in a social arena and encourage others including youngsters to participate also. I too play other sports but it is regarded that volleyball is mainly associated with the Olympics and other “non professional” sports.

    With the introduction of Beach this has assisted others to actually gain a living in the sport if you are at the top of the game. AFL and soccer can offer lucrative money for such a short sporting careers which finely attuned atheletes these days usually only have due to injuries. There are not too many sports like Golf where it can be played for more than a couple of decades at a top level.

    I think that volleyball must rest on its laurels as a participation sport and hope that this can result in international success when the Olympics and the like come around albeit every 4 years.

  18. Christian Stapff said

    Another two cents worth:

    Volleyball as a sport in Australia–actually in North America too for that matter–faces the a number of hurdles:

    1) “major sports” such as Aussie Rules, Rugby codes, cricket and now Soccer have captured a significant slice of the sponsor/Ad market

    2) Cricket last year had the luxury of Beach cricket bringing the golden oldies to promote the game when cricket was not on the tube–I presume because soccer, oops..Football was capturing attention for its A-League. This kind of sponsorship goes a long way toward maintainin. Cricket’s dominance in the summer-tennis gets two weeks worth of attention–is still unchallenged.

    3) If cricket can get a $ 60 million dollar loan for building one section of a sports stadium ( they have to be able to service that loan of course!) you know where the money flows–cricket has financial and political clout.

    If you look at North America, the US volleyball teams have been extraordinarily successful at the last Olympics–and they do not have a men’s or women’s league!
    So success in that arena–four years away and only for two weeks–has not translated into a tangible pro-league.

    Baseball, basketball, football, to some extent soccer and ice hockey have a hammerlock on media, sponsor and ad channels.

    • Alan said

      I keep hearing a lot of this and yet Netball, which is not a truly International Sport,does not have the profile of being an Olympic Sport and is an ordinary sport to watch (other than the players look great!) gets a two page spread in the Herald Sun every other Friday and gets played in front of 3-5000 spectators at Hi-Sense Arena in Melbourne.

      And why?

      Simply because they have been consistent with their message,focussed on a particular demographic and have got of their backsides and pursued every little slice of the Sports Marketing Pie they can sink their teeth into!

  19. Andrew said

    Devo – do you have any knowledge of how many people play volleyball in Australia?

    • devo said

      I don’t have recent figures. The last “official figures” I saw – quite a few years ago – had volleyball as the 24th ranked sport in Victoria.

    • devo said

      Okay – don’t know the date of this Ausport report, but graphs galore!

      There are 82,100 adult Australians who participate in organised volleyball, a participation rate of six persons in every one thousand (0.6%). The proportions of men and women who participate in this activity are 54.8% and 45.2% respectively and they are similar to the proportions of men and women participating in all sports and activities.

      Volleyball is a younger person’s activity. The greatest number of players is in the 25-34 year age group. However, participation rates are highest for 18-24 year olds (1.5%) and progressively decline to 0.1% for the 45 years and older age group. more …

      • Murph said

        Looks to be from 2000, based on the URL of the link.

        82,000 Adults and a squillion kids…

        Makes my 6000 V-News readers seem a tad paltry.

  20. Paterico said

    I feel pretty special being part of the 0.1% ! Even more so when I get to play with the 1.5%! What a sport!

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